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@khanhson 77079 wrote:

Et les gens du Sud ???

En fait, quand je vais à Saïgon, je réside chez un beau-frere qui habite rue Hoang Hoa Tham et cette rue me rappelle la rue HHT d’Hanoï qui a des grands arbres aussi.
Mais les gens là, sont surtout des Nordistes, alors ils ne sont pas très exotiques à par qu’ils parlent avec un accents nasillard :jap: ils disent que nous parlons « lourd » ::wink2:
Et puis ils prennent leur café comme nous prenons l’autocar :jap:
(Les Nordistes disent ça à cause de la disposition des chaises à Saïgon)

La ville de dalat, les Européens adorent : Il fait 18° C et les gens sont très calmes. Seulement le passage de 32°C à 18, c’est glaciale pour un Vietnamien; même moi, j’ai chopé la crève.
Donc il faut être prudent et averti avec un bébé.

De même à Nha Trang, j’avais laissé mon fils de 5 ans jouer sur les plages sans culotte mais avec un chapeau. Résultat : quelques jours plus tard à Hanoi, il avait des brulures et cloques sur le zizi

ce fil est un doublon. Pensez a répondre sur l’autre en attendant qu’un modo le supprime
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@nguyetnga 76948 wrote:

Bonjour tout le monde,

Voici le premier auteur vietnamien aux Editions du Seuil. J’ai le plaisir de vous en informer.

le roman CHINATOWN de Thûan sort en français

Le métro s’arrête : colis abandonné. Pour la narratrice, une vietnamienne qui vit à Belleville, le temps s’arrête aussi. Son fils s’endort sur son épaule tandis que commence un long monologue intérieur qui ne s’interrompt qu’au départ de la rame, à la dernière ligne du livre. De la vie étriquée de Hanoï postcommuniste à la banlieue parisienne où elle enseigne l’anglais, en passant par une longue période d’études à Léningrad, sous la période Gorbatchev, elle tente de comprendre ce qu’elle a subi plus que vécu – sa passion pour Thuy, un Chinois de Hanoi qu’elle n’a pas revu depuis onze ans et qui vit à Cholon, le chinatown de Saïgon. Si l’écriture – le lecteur découvre en même temps des extraits de son roman intitulé I’m yellow, traversé par un train mystérieux, écho du métro – lui permet aujourd’hui de vivre l’éloignement, l’enfant qu’elle a eu de Thuy lui sert de lien entre le passé et l’avenir.
Les mots, les chiffres qu’elle martèle sont autant de tentatives désespérées, dans l’autodérision et l’humour, pour fixer ce monologue qui lui échappe, pour exorciser cette passion qui la hante.

Après des études à Moscou, Thuân s’est installée à Paris qu’elle quitte parfois pour Hanoi, New York, Berlin. Chinatown est son deuxième roman. Elle vient de recevoir le prix de l’Union des écrivains, la plus haute distinction de la littérature vietnamienne.

Auteur de cinq roman, Thuân (née en 1969) connaît beaucoup de succès parmi les jeunes lecteurs au Vietnam.

@Ti Ngoc 76894 wrote:

yes

unemployed spouse

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> unemployed spouses

il y a encore des bi ou poly games au VN ?

Je crois qu’ils veulent parler des expats indonésiens et autres originaires de pays musulmans

@frère Singe 76904 wrote:

D’ailleurs, je milite toujours pour le remplacement du terme tây balô qui n’est plus pertinent car les touristes ne se baladent presque plus avec sac à dos, par celui tây lavie qui me semble mieux correspondre à la réalité contemporaine. Et en plus, je trouve ça plus joli.

Heu ? Les Vietnamiens recyclent beaucoup les bouteilles de « LaVie » ; Donc ton expression prêterait à confusion. Me voici, avec un de mes copains qui offre à un touriste Tay 1/4 de « La Vie » de chez nous.
Quand cette sorte de Vittel est trouble, c’est de l’excellent !

@frère Singe 76904 wrote:

Justement, hier soir j’ai pris un chocolat au bord de Hồ Ha Lê avec une copine qui portait un sweet à capuche.

Ils en ont, mais ils ne mettent pas la capuche.

C’est quoi, les « ao sida »?

Je croyais que tout le monde connaissait ça ; les áo Sida ont même leur Wiki !
SIDA = Aid(e)s ou S.I.D.A. (Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency)
Des organisations d’aide qui importent des vêtements d’occasion pour donner aux pauvres ; mais en réalité, la fripe a été détournée et est vendue à la sauvette, à même le trottoir par des camelots.
http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quần_áo_Sida

Quần áo Sida là tên gọi của một số mặt hàng quần áo cũ được bày bán ở thị trường Việt Nam bắt đầu xuất hiện từ những năm cuối thập niên 1980. Nguồn gốc của những mặt hàng này là các thùng quần áo cũ do Tổ chức SIDA của Thụy Điển viện trợ. Vì thế chúng còn có các tên gọi đồ Sida, hàng Sida, đồ thùng, hàng thùng. Việc chữ « Sida » trùng với tên gọi căn bệnh SIDA/AIDS chỉ là ngẫu nhiên.

Vào cuối thập niên 1980 đến đầu thập niên 1990, tổ chức SIDA của Thụy Điển (Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency – Tổ chức hợp tác phát triển quốc tế Thụy Điển) có những chương trình viện trợ cho Việt Nam. Một trong những hành động đó là việc quyên góp các quần áo cũ của người dân. Các quần áo này được giặt giũ, làm sạch rồi đóng thùng gửi tới Việt Nam. Nhưng khi tới Việt Nam, do một vài lý do nào đó, các thùng quần áo này không được phát trực tiếp cho những người nghèo mà lại trở thành một mặt hàng bày bán ngoài thị trường. Chúng thường được những người kinh doanh bán tại vỉa hè hay trong những cửa hàng nhỏ. Một số nơi tập trung thành những chợ bán đồ Sida, như ở Kim Liên, Hà Nội. Những mặt hàng này với chất lượng còn tốt và giá cả thấp đã rất phổ biến, đặc biệt trong giới trẻ.

Những năm sau đó, tổ thức SIDA không còn hình thức viện trợ này cho Việt Nam, nhưng khái niệm « đồ Sida » vẫn được dùng để gọi những mặt hàng quần áo của nước ngoài đã qua sử dụng vào thị trường Việt Nam. Bên cạnh đó, từ « đồ second hand » cũng được dùng phổ biến cho cả quần áo và các mặt hàng khác đã qua sử dụng. Chữ second hand xuất phát từ tiếng Anh, có nghĩa là « đã qua tay », « đã được dùng », « đồ cũ »…

Le sweat à capuche est un truc qui semble idiot aux Vietnamiens : il n’est pas adapté au climat et aux déplacements à motocyclette ; d’autant qu’on vient de nous imposer le casque.
Malgré le tonnes de conteneurs de fringue d’occase qu’on reçoit pour vendre sur les étalages d’ao sida, les sweat à capuche n’arrivent pas à apparaitre dans les rues. Passent-ils au « mo di phia » ? il me semble que les jeans taille basse qui faisaient mon bonheur en 2005 ont subis ce sort et entièrement disparus.

Je dois dire qu’arrivé en France, le nombre de sweat à capuche me renvoie un curieux sentiment d’oppression ; juste une question d’habitude.

@thorgal 76741 wrote:

oui cela se fête au vietnam … journée internationale je crois …

Non Non, ce n’est pas une « journée internationale » donc ce n’est pas fêté officiellement. C’est plutôt une mode des jeunes, je me demande si les vendeuses de fleurs vont se déplacer comme pour les « journée internationale » de la femme, des profs…

Sur mon calendrier, il y a quand même écrit : Ngày lễ tình yêu Vlentine (sic)

Tại Việt Nam các đôi yêu nhau chủ yếu là giới trẻ, họ tặng hoa, sô-cô-la, gửi thiếp, mời nhau đi ăn, hẹn hò, xem phim rất sôi động trong ngày Valentine. Ngày 14 tháng 2 của năm 2008, nhiều cặp tình nhân đã tổ chức cưới tập thể dưới nước tại Hòn Mun, Nha Trang[2]. Một hội thi hôn tập thể tại Đà Lạt cũng được tổ chức vào ngày này

si, si, il est très lisible : C’est le panneau qui signale le 4eme point de haute densité de dioxin :
Sur l’ancienne US airbases de Asho – Aluoi. ( Thua Thien Hue province)

Initial, some areas may be categorized as significant dioxin ‘hot spots’ are :

1. The former US airbases at Da Nang,
1965 –1971: 105 000 herbicides barrels
1971: 105 000 herbicides barrels
(24.000 barrels Agent Orange)
(24.000 barrels Agent Orange)

2. The former US airbases at Phu Cat An Nhon district Binh Dinh province

3. The former US airbases at and Bien Hoa ( Dong Nai province)

4. The former US airbases at Asho – Aluoi ( Thua Thien Hue province)

par contre, 6 ans plus tard, il était un peu rouillé

Ceci est la version texte du fichier http://www.warlegacies.org/LastingLegacy.pdf

Page 1
VIET NAM: WAR’S
LASTING LEGACY

Phung Tuu Boi
Director
Assistance for Natural Conservation and Community Development Center
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Viet Nam is located in southeastern Asia with total area of more than
330.000Km2 and more than 3200km of sea coast
Three quarters of the country consists of mountains and hills.
Forest types:
– Mangrove forests,
– Melaleuca forests,
– Evergreen broadleaf forests,
– Forest on limestone,
– Deciduous forests and
– Bamboo forests.
Forests in south of Vietnam cover of
60 – 70% before 1960
(10.300.000 ha)
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Viet Nam is recognized as one of the biodiversity centers in
southeast of Asia with a high proportion of endemic species.
Over 10.000 plant species , 1040 bird species, 265 animal specie

(1000 species of large timber trees, 40 rare and valuable timber species.
r species. 1800 medicinal plants),

Sao la (Pseudoryx nghetinhensis),is nghetinhensis),is one of five new large mammals were discovered
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forests constitute an integral component of the land and water resources, Natural
forests are a large existing carbon pool
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and are vital to the 24 million people in various ethnic groups who are substantially dependent on forest resources for their livelihoods.
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But natural forest and biodiversity has been degraded seriously by many reasons:
•
Population expansion in forest areas
•
Logging and harvesting of wood and non-wood products
•
Forest fire
•
Other causes : War
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Chemical warfare (1961-1971)
Over all ecological zones from the 17th parallel that divided North and South parallel that divided North and South Vietnam to the tip of South Vietnam
at the Ca Mau Cape were effected of herbicides and defoliants

Over 80 million litters herbicides
Three main types of chemicals:
Agent Blue (cacodylic acid),
Agent White (a mixture of 80% tri
Agent White (a mixture of 80% tri-
isopropanol amine salt of 2,4-dichlorophenoxy acetic acid (2,4-D) and picloram),
Agent Orange (50-50 mixture of the 50 mixture of the n-butyl esters of 2,4 butyl esters of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T. Agent Orange
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Immediate effect on Natural
Resources and Environment
Over all ecological zones from the 17th parallel that divided North and South Vietnam to the tip of South Vietnam at the Ca Mau Cape were effected of herbicides and defoliants.

More than 24% of the land area of South Vietnam was sprayed. 20 to 40 times higher than that used in normal 20 to 40 times higher than that used in normal agricultural production.

Three vegetation categories must be singled out for special attention with herbicides attacks: Dense inland forest, Costal mangrove swamp, Agriculture

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Inland forest was heavily affected accounting for 86% of the total spraying mission . The cover of 2 million ha of forests was destroyed.

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Hundreds of tree species were defoliated and died.
Few species could survived like
Irvingia malayana, Parinari annamensis
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Mangrove forest
Rhizophora.. species are
very sensitive to toxic
chemicals,
Ca Mau
Peninsula
Land sat TM .73
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Loss 112 millions cubic meter timber, also great loss of non-woody forest products.
Reductions in overall floral and faunal biodiversity
Loss of nutrients, Loss in freshwater fish…
Defoliation in Quang Tri
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100% 10% 50%
primary forest effect of Spraying
Secondary forest degraded
Loss of forests led to reductions in overall floral and faunal biodiversity
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Long-term effect on Natural Resources and Environment
The degradation of environment and habitats , the irreversible nature of species extinction, the loss of genes and transformation of ecosystems through the devastation of agent orange/dioxin , all these compromise our options for present and future generations
the soil was unable to hold the released nutrients so that these were lost, a phenomenon referred to as nutrient dumping (Westing, 1984), led to accelerated soil erosion particularly in high mountain above 700 meters and in areas of steep slopes also had created negative impact on 28 river catchments areas
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Missions of Ranch Hand operation
Distribution of sprayed area by absolute altitude
< 300 m 16%
300 – 700 m 42%
700 – 1000 m 30%
> 1000 m 12%
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The forest has been destroyed, wild grasses (Pennisetum polystachyon, Imperata cylindrica) have invaded indigenous tree species
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sprayed swaths are visible after 30 years
Land sat TM image 1999 Dong nai province
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In addition there are an estimated 10-15 million large bomb craters from the war.
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The consequences of the Chemical Warfare on the human
366 kilograms of dioxin has created a great impact immediate and long-term on 3,181 villages of Vietnam, at least 2,1 million people were directly affected by dioxin.
In addition, contaminated water sources, foodstuff… indirectly affected many people. It is estimated that 3 million victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin
(Jeanne Mager Stellman ,2003).
The victims affected by Agent Orange/Dioxin are not only Vietnamese people but even American, Australia, Korea..soldiers
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Many children are born unable to stand on their own legs
( Ke van Bac , 18 Age , A Ngo – A Luoi )
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Mrs. Can Di AO/Dioxin victim
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Although the war has been over for a long time, the wounds of the war have been gradually healed, however, the mental and physical pain has not yet been eased for millions of Vietnamese families who are victims of Agent Orange /Dioxin.
They are the poorest of the poor and they are the most miserable people of the miserable. Diseases, pains and poverty always weigh upon each family of the victim.
They live in the sprayed areas
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Hot spots of dioxin in southern Viet Nam.
To day study have demonstrated that aerially sprayed regions do not retain high levels of TCDD, But former military installations was significantly higher than that resulting from aerial applications, and continue to exist as dioxin hot spots or dioxin reservoirs to this day (Dwernychuk, 2005).
Shown that TCDD contamination has spread from soils to humans via the food chain (Dwernychuk, 2002).
It follows that dioxin levels in soil be used as the principal factor defining a hot spot.
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Initial, some areas may be categorized as significant dioxin ‘hot spots’ are :
1. The former US airbases at Da Nang,
1965 –1971: 105 000 herbicides barrels
1971: 105 000 herbicides barrels
(24.000 barrels Agent Orange)
(24.000 barrels Agent Orange)

2. The former US airbases at Phu Cat An Nhon district Binh Dinh province

3. The former US airbases at and Bien Hoa ( Dong Nai province)

4. The former US airbases at Asho – Aluoi ( Thua Thien Hue province)

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Pacer Ivy mission
The mission referred to as ‘Pacer Ivy’ which was launched after decision to halt Operation Ranch Hand.
The Pacer Ivy mission were to collect unused herbicides barrels, clean or dump such chemicals, and transport herbicides to Johnston Island . , waste water from cleaning the herbicides barrels was discharged direct to ground; herbicide re-filling
As a consequence, areas used for Pacer Ivy became highly contaminated with herbicides and dioxin
The scope and level of contamination by AO/dioxin is still to be determined in some areas known to be polluted with AO /dioxin due to the Pacer Ivy operation at Da Nang, Bien Hoa airports and some other airports.
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Remediation
Given the studies suggest the persistence of hot spot areas highly contaminated with dioxin, which pose a serious threat to surrounding inhabitants, we have been for some time trying to find the means to remediate these sites.
In the 1990s, the Viet Nam Ministry of Defense built carried out some construction works to control the spreading of dioxin in Danang, Bien Hoa and Phu Cat airports.
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Da Nang Airport, with contaminated area indicated by red arrow
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Interpolated TCDD values (pp/g dry weight) in Da nang airbase
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The sign of barrel in hot spot
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The highly contaminated site is isolated from other lands by a concrete cap
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Also drainage ditches around the highly contaminated sites
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Surface water flow on contaminated site is diverted into Sen lake
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Sen lake. Đa Đa Nang air base
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Bien Hoa Airbase
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Isolating & land filling an area heavily contaminated by dioxin in Bien Hoa airport

Betonite, HDPE and concrete.
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US embassy visited Da Nang Air base
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Rehabilitation
Rehabilitation of degraded inland forests is a most urgent matter requiring enrichment of ecosystem and sustainable use of sprayed area in south Vietnam, Inland forest rehabilitation is a long process, and difficult
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A Luoi 1993 and Now 2008
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Harvesting Acacia forests
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Mangrove Reforestation
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Rhizophora plantation forest and shrimp pond
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Can Gio Biosphere Reserve an area of 75,740 ha.

the mangroves were almost completely destroyed.
Through the great efforts of the local people, 22,000 ha .
To date, Can Gio has become one of the most beautiful and extensive sites of rehabilitated mangroves in the world, and was chosen to be included in the world network of Biosphere

Reserves by MAB/UNESCO on January 21, 2000.
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Planting a green corridor in key dioxin hit A Sho areas of A Luoi district Thua Thien-Hue province

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A Luoi is a narrow valley, 40 km long, 3 km wide and surrounded by high mountains, Natural land area is 117,951 ha, population of 27,146 inhabitants (1986),
Dong Son Commune is located in the “hot spot” of dioxin covering an area of 1,926 ha, with a population of 1,313 people (1996), A Luoi was a main target affected by was a main target affected by chemical warfare with 256 missions. It was chemical warfare with 256 missions. It was home to three former Special Forces bases.
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A Luoi can be seen as a small picture of the chemical warfare in Vietnam as it houses three former Special Forces bases.
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A Luoi -1974
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people mainly are ethnic minority people such as Ta oi (67%), Ca Tu (9%), Pa Hy rely on agricultural and forest production activities for earning their living
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War Legacies Project & WB
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Our friends in the US and other countries need to provide more support and assistance to the Victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin in Viet Nam
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“
Help to reduce the pain left by the past”
Mingpao magazine, December,2007 ( page 48-68) by Shan
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A Sho hot spot The content of dioxin in the soil is 879,85pg/g
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The Green Fence Model
Our project has been researching and planting a green fence around contaminated areas in the hopes that it will isolate “hot spots” from humans and animals and will raise awareness on the harm of the dioxin caused to the people,
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Design green corridor in Project site
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Catch fish in A Sho
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Cow and buffalo in the airbase
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Searching for metal
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Planting a Green Corridor in A Sho
However, mechanical caps and ditches are insufficient in more rural, residential areas.
The main reason causing contamination to the people in A Sho is the chain of contaminated food due to frequent contact with the soil, and animals still walk daily animals still walk daily in the affected area.
Dioxin Food/Animals Humans
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TCDD in A Sho and other villages
(Hatfield Consultants Ltd, 2000)
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Soil and water in hot spot
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Gleditsia trees
Water locust, Honey locust
Gleditsia australis many long thorns around the trunks soft wood, not attractive for use as
fuelwood or wood easy to live in difficult conditions strong, healthy, deep roots very hardy against diseases and insects easy to grow in difficult conditions fruits are used to produce soaps, shampoo and medicinal drugs
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Seedling of Gleidisia
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20.000 Gleditschia australis seedlings in the neursery
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Training course and practical for farmers to plant trees
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Flood and other difficulty appeared
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Young trees died
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Acacia farnesiana
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Acacia farnesiana 2 years
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Supported local people to plant Eagle wood (Aquilaria crassna) in farmer garden
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Trees for children
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Seedlings will be planted in the field on Jan 2009 with organic fertilizer
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CONCLUSION

The above activities only meet a small part of the very large and long term demand of the
AO/dioxin victims as a result of the serious consequences of Operation Ranch Hand on
natural resources and the environment.
The serious consequences have still remained as a heavy burden for the nature and people living in the affected areas.

•In Vietnam a number of hot spots could be identified
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Vietnam as the biggest laboratory in the world for studying the effect of dioxin on human
health and environment.
Researches and activities for overcoming of the consequences of toxic chemicals/dioxin
in Vietnam of organizations and individuals are always welcomed, encouraged and supported by the Vietnam Government.
We hope that all friends will continue to provide more and more support to the Victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin in Vietnam
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Thank you
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