ngjm95

Bienvenue au Forum Pépé,

je me rappellerai toujours de mon premier voyage en Martinique . Ces bananiers, ces cocotiers que je n’avais plus revu depuis si longtemps. Et ce pont en béton à l’entrée du Moule en Guadeloupe comme au Vietnam. Mon hotel au rond-point du Vietnam Héroîque (non ça s’invente pas ) à Fort de France.

ngjm95

Merci Carlos,merci Laurent.

Bonjour,

Un visa de 5 ans ,c’est pour que tu te sens privilégié.Quant au renouvellement ,c’est toi qui voit. :bigsmile: (ok,je sors_)

Si dollar ,euro, yuan tous kaput, alors il restera le Big Mac comme valeur étalon. Heu, y a-t-il un Mac Do au Vietnam ?

Bonjour,

Bonjour,

Van ,Pierre a un humour caustique .
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Bonjour Phuc 44 ,

Sur le même site Ho Chi Minh: North Vietnam Leader » HistoryNet,on peut lire:
The great Peace Conference at Versailles in 1919 was the occasion for Ho’s formal entry into politics. Excited by the prospect of a peace based on President Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points — especially the point concerning national self-determination of peoples — Ho drafted a modest eight-point program for Vietnam and, renting a formal suit, sought an audience with leaders of the great powers. His proposals would not have meant independence for Vietnam, but instead called for greater equity, more basic freedoms, and Vietnamese representation in the colonial government.
Unable to gain a hearing at Versailles, Ho then pursued the colonial question in the French Socialist Party, of which he was a member. At the Party Congress at Tours on Christmas Day, 1920, Ho Chi Minh sided with the Communist wing of the party since the Communists advocated immediate independence for all colonial areas.

Ho Chi Minh voulait sans succès profiter de la conférence de la Paix à Versailles de 1919E pour réclamerplus de libertés et d’équité pour les vietnamiens ainsi qu’une participation dans le gouvernement colonial.Déçu par le parti socialistedont il fut membre HCM s’alliait avec le parti communiste qui prôna l’indépendence immédiate de toutes les colonies.

On peut donc penser que le communisme n’est pour Ho Chi Minh qu’un moyen pour accéder à son but ultime: L’Indépendance du Vietnam
Phuc 44″
« Je n’ai déniché l’article de Charles E. Kirkpatrick qu’aujourd’hui sur le site historynet où j’aime faire mes emplettes »
History net n’est qu’un site militariste à américain qui flatte l’égo de ses compatriotes.

Voilà ce que pense Duiker de Ho Chi Minh durant son interview avec Sonshi
[URL= »http://http//www.sonshi.com/duiker.html »]http://http://www.sonshi.com/duiker.html[/URL]
but he quietly worked to limit those forms of influence of which he did not approve (such as the harsh forms of land reform and the Great Leap Forward). Unfortunately, he was not always successful in fending off those forms of external advice that he didn’t agree with.

D’après Duiker , Ho Chi Minh qui n’approuvait pas les réformes radicales telles que la réforme agraire et le Grand Bond en Avant de Mao n’avait pas su les éviter.

Un autre passage sur Ho Chi Minh par Duiker dans Half Lenin half Gandhi
http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/10/15/reviews/001015.15fitzget.html

In the late 1950’s and early 60’s Ho spent much of his time abroad engaged in the delicate negotiations required to bring the Soviet Union as well as China to the aid of his government as the Sino-Soviet split deepened. But his role was increasingly a ceremonial one. Le Duan, a southerner who had spent many years in French prisons, had seized the reins of power and proceeded to marginalize Ho and his long-term companions — among them Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap. Duiker suggests that Ho’s decline in authority began during the brutal land reform campaign of 1955-56, at a time of rising Chinese influence over the revolution. According to Duiker, Ho was not directly involved in the campaign, but  »his prestige as an all-knowing and all-caring leader had been severely damaged. »
During the early 1960’s Ho warned his colleagues against launching a premature uprising in South Vietnam and against overemphasizing the military struggle. He wanted to avoid bringing the United States into the war, and until the Johnson administration began bombing the North, he remained hopeful that Washington would withdraw its support for the regime in Saigon. But it was not to be. When American troops began to arrive in Vietnam in 1965, Ho was a 75-year-old man and no longer in charge of his government.
‘‘Ho Chi Minh was half Lenin and half Gandhi, » Duiker writes. Ho always sought to achieve his objectives without resort to military force and, unlike some of his colleagues, he had a cleareyed view of international and domestic realities, a flexible, pragmatic approach and the patience and subtlety to seek diplomatic solutions. Unfortunately, as Duiker might have added, neither the French nor the American leadership had the sense to respond in kind.

On voit bien que la responsabilité de Ho Chi Minh concernant certains massacres n ‘est pas clairement établi car variant selon les auteurs.:Vietnam:
Now your pick, ladies and gentlemen.