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5 septembre 2011 à 18h27 #141048
c’est bien triste!
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11 septembre 2011 à 10h11 #141227
Qui aurai une idée de l’article original de Thanh Niên ?
édition viet ou édition anglaise ?
Car je voudrais plus de précisions et voir de quel type de maison il s’agit.
La localisation est vague aussi : « Situé à vingtaine de kilomètres de Hanoi, la capitale, le village de Cu Da…«Quel Hanoi ? (l’ancien ou le nouveau ?)
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11 septembre 2011 à 11h28 #141234
@DédéHeo 137544 wrote:
Qui aurai une idée de l’article original de Thanh Niên ?
édition viet ou édition anglaise ?
Car je voudrais plus de précisions et voir de quel type de maison il s’agit.
La localisation est vague aussi : « Situé à vingtaine de kilomètres de Hanoi, la capitale, le village de Cu Da…«Quel Hanoi ? (l’ancien ou le nouveau ?)
Quelle direction? quelle province?Je ne saurais vous répondre aussi précisement : désolé .
J’ai trouvé l’article très mesuré et équilibré dans la présentation des arguments ..
A première vue, le problèmer posé est celui de la conservatuion d’un certain patrimoine privé datant de « la période coloniale « .
Que les fonds, ou plutôt les « subventions » ne suivent pas : peut-être que l’Histoire est trop récente !!!Et pourtant, comparé au Cambodge, j’ai toujours eu le sentiment que le patrimoine inestimable -non pas de l’empire colonial – mais du style universel « Arts Déco » ou « Années 20″ (que pesro j’aime beaucoup) était beaucoup mieux préservé au Vietnam, notamment par le biais des chaines hôtelières ..
Dans l’article cité , il s’agit de la préservation de « maisons individuelles » de plus d’un siècle d’existence.. et du financement des travaux de rénovation….
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11 septembre 2011 à 12h25 #141235
J’ai acheté la carte du nouvel Hanoi délirant : La ville integre la province de Ha Tay (Sud et Ouest de Hanoi ancien ; l’un des plus grand département du VN) et des district au Nord et à l’Est.
Hanoi fait une 100 taine de km de large ?!?!!!!!Alors si on compte 20 km de l’ancien Hanoi, on est encore en plein centre du Nouveau !! 😆
Si on compte 20 km du nouveau, on est à + de 100km du centre!!!Dans les article en vietnamien, on donne toujours le nom de la province.
Et l’orthographe des accents est correcte ; ce qui facilite les recherches.Y a quelques années, le Courrier du Vietnam avait parlé de la maison kinh la plus ancienne du Vietnam, 300 ans, une maison de type Kinh (Viet) dans la région de Bac Gian.
A titre de comparaison, les célèbres maisons à Hoi An sont d’architecture cantonaise ; assez différente.
A Halong, je connais 2 maisons qui ont appartenues à des Chinois. Durant la guerre de 1980, ils ont été expulsés et la maison a été attribué à un cadre viet du coin pour sa retraite.
La structure est étonnante : Toute en bois Lim, elle est plus fine que celle des autres maisons viet. On m’a dit que les maisons viets kinh étaient inspirées des maisons chinoises ; c’est bien possible car c’étaient des maisons de riches.
La maison des Viets pauvres étaient en bambou avec au mieux des murs en torchis.Qui peut retrouver l’article du CVN sur la maison de Bac Gian ; pour voir si c’est dans le même coin.
Nota :Comme on l’avait vu dans l’histoire dus hauts parleur à propagande, le C.International était parti d’un article en anglais (mais là, c’était une bêtise:lol:)
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11 septembre 2011 à 12h37 #141236
Lost in renovation
« Nombre de ces maisons sont devenues emblématiques de la région, comme celle appartenant à Trinh Dinh Sung, dans le hameau de Dong Nhan Cat«
Astuce : On suprime le francais et on « google » Trinh Dinh Sung + Dong Nhan Cat«
Ca vous donne une copie de l’article original en anglais avec une foto
On va en savoir + !
deja on sait maintenant que le journaliste est Minh Ha
A man walks past a house under construction in Cu Da Village in the outskirts of Hanoi. Famed for its century old European-style houses, the village has lost its charm since its inhabitants began to build new, modern homes.A famous village in the suburbs of Hanoi, with houses dating back hundreds of years, has decided to turn its back on history, aesthetics and healthy living
In most countries, the village would have been a well preserved site, proudly touted as a cultural heritage, tourist attraction and so on.
But residents of Cu Da Village in Cu Khe Commune, backed by local authorities, are destroying it in a hurry.
And amidst the dust and din of construction, wisps of nostalgia and regret expressed by some old-timers disappear into thin air.
Located some 20 kilometers from Hanoi, the village is famous for hosting more than 400 houses of old Vietnamese and French architecture built between the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Many houses in the neighborhood had become the village’s trademark, like the one belonging to Trinh Dinh Sung in Dong Nhan Cat Hamlet.
Built in 1864, the house is well-known for its architecture characteristic of the Nguyen Dynasty (1804-1839): 35 columns of precious wood divide the house into five different spaces.
Several dozen houses are as old as Sung’s, while around the same number are two-storied buildings boasting French architecture.
Dinh Van Tuong’s house at the entrance to An Lac alley has eye-catching highlights like Western-styled reliefs. The house, nearly 100 years old, also holds historic significance as the scene of a fight between Vietnamese soldiers and 200 troops of the French Foreign Legion in 1947.Â
Moreover, Cu Da is also the oldest, if not the only village to have its house numbered in order like urban administrative units when numbering started in 1929, according to historical records.
Its unique characteristics had made the ancient village a well-known destination for tourists.
However, Cu Da is now at risk of losing its originality and yesteryear atmosphere.
An almost tectonic shift seems to have occurred in the village after this year’s Tet (Vietnamese Lunar New Year festival, which fell in February) when many locals decided to start building new houses.
The rush built up so quickly that the venerable place now looks like a big construction site.
Every day, cyclos carrying bricks, concrete, iron and other materials keep going in and out of the village hundreds of times. Several shops selling construction materials and real estate agencies have opened around the small neighborhood.
The leaders of Cu Khe Commune told newswire VietnamNet that it was understandable that people want to build new houses, because the population was increasing and the condition of their old houses had worsened.
With the compensation they received after their agricultural lands were withdrawn for site clearance for an urban area project late last year, many people have been encouraged to renovate their homes, Vu Thanh Ngoc, chairman of the Cu Khe Commune People’s Committee, was quoted as saying.
According to the news source, under the site clearance plan, for every 360 square meters of land taken, affected locals would receive VND351 million (US$17,076), so a family on average got between VND1.5-2 billion ($72,974-97,299). Some received compensation of nearly VND6 billion ($291,899).
With this kind of money, it was not surprising residents are scrambling to build new houses, Ngoc said, adding that local authorities have no right to stop them.
Nearly 100 families are building new houses in the area, he said.
Trinh Dinh Binh, who has just seen his 200-year-old house replaced with a modern three-storied one, said: “With over VND3 billion ($45,701), my son wanted to build a new house although I tried to convince him not to do it.
“My son didn’t want to stay in the old house, because its condition had worsened over years. […] Actually, even if we had kept it, it would have collapsed by now,” said the man whose house was once considered one of the two oldest and most beautiful in the village.
Other residents who actually did not plan to build new homes for themselves seem unable to resist the current trend.
Vu Van Bang, who owns a house built in the 18th century, said his family never wanted to destroy their house, even though it was getting smaller as the family grew bigger.
While many people like multi-storied houses equipped with air-conditioners, Bang said, it was airier and healthier to live in old houses during the summer thanks to their smart architecture and design.
However, as many of his neighbors are building multi-storied houses, stopping the wind and cool air coming in from the fields and the river nearby, he will probably build a new house as well.
“It will be very sad if I have to destroy my present house some day in the future, but it can’t be helped,” Bang said with a sigh.
Sung, who owns a famous old house in the village, also said he didn’t plan to build a new house, because the one he has now is large enough for himself, his wife and his aunt, while all his children were working far away from home.
Still, the septuagenarian said he probably won’t be able to go against the trend, because his house might be at the risk of collapsing when people all around him built new houses.
“I’ll feel sorry if I have to destroy the house which I love and have preserved for my whole life. But I don’t know how long I will be able to keep it,” Sung said. “Even if I can keep it until the day I die, I’m not sure if my children will be able to do the same.”
Sung said his children don’t like the house, because “they gain nothing from it.”
“My house is famous, so many people come to visit it every day. But we can’t quit our work to welcome them all the time, because it takes time and gives us nothing in return,” he said.
Sung isn’t the only one who feels demotivated by the lack of financial return from preserving their old houses.
Vu Van Chung, vice chairman of Cu Khe People’s Committee, said it’s difficult to convince people to keep their houses intact because they “see no future” in doing so.
The condition of their houses has worsened, but residents have received no support to preserve them, Chung said.
Even if they can keep their houses intact, tourism in the area was not being managed properly, so the bottom line is that residents have gained no benefit from it, he added.
Village boys walk through an old gate at the hundred-year-old village of Cu Da
Reported by Minh Ha
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11 septembre 2011 à 12h56 #141237
google est ton amis _ la suite
Cu Da village – HanoiCu Da village – Hanoi
Lying by the side of the Nhue River, Cu Da Village in Cu Khe Commune, Thanh Oai District, still retains the typical identities of an old Viet village.
**********************La rivière Nhuê, on connait ; elle n’est pas longue : elle par du fleuve Rouge au Nord de Hanoi (c’est une branche) puis traverse la province de Ha Tay et retrouve le fleuve rouge.
Donc on va trouver facilement
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12 septembre 2011 à 8h54 #141256
Ha ha ha, trop drole !
La commune de Cu Khê, où se trouve le village de Cu Da est à 2 km de Hanoi 2
Vous s&avez c quoi Hanoi 2?
C’est Hadong !!!!!!!!!!!!D’où l’explication :
1) presence d’un village riche avec architecture francaise
2) bataille avec la legion
3) prix des « rizières » et autre terrain agricole délirant 😆
Ben oui c’est comme si c’est entre Paris et Evry
4) Accès :
a – Situé entre le perif 3 et le perif 4 au Sud de Hanoi
b – posède une gare de chemin de fer
Cordonnées GPS
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12 septembre 2011 à 11h30 #141261
Thôn Cự Đà – Xã Cự Khê
et voici la présentation du vilage dans une langue compréhensible :
Wikimapia – Let’s describe the whole world!
Où sont-elles, ces fameuses maisons ?
Le village ,’n’a qu’une rue et 9 ruelles !
voir coordonnées si dessous
Coordinates: 20°56’11″N 105°47’58″E
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Làng miến Cự Đà, ngôi làng cách trung tâm Hà Nội 20km về phía Tây. Nép mình bên con sông Nhuệ, làng trải dài và có hình xương cá với những ngõ xóm đâm ngang, hẹp, lát gạch đỏ. Cổng ngõ nào cũng chạy ra đến sông với những thềm gạch vươn tận mép nước. Sự quy hoạch tự nhiên của làng với mô hình “nhất cận thị, thị cận giang” điển hình cho một làng Việt cổ vừa nông nghiệp vừa thương mại.
Đây là làng nghề truyền thống của Đồng Bằng Bắc Bộ – Nơi có nghề gia truyền làm tương nổi tiếng của Việt Nam.
Làng Cự Đà có cách đây hơn 2.000 năm, thời kỳ phát triển cực thịnh nhất là những năm cuối thế kỷ XIX, đầu thế kỷ XX. Theo sử sách ghi lại: sông Nhuệ ngày nay chính từ một con sông nhỏ chảy qua địa bàn, nên từ xưa bến Cự Đà đã trở thành nơi giao thương sầm uất. Người trong làng đi làm ăn, buôn bán ở khắp nơi, nhiều người giàu có đã trở về kiến thiết nhà cửa, xây dựng quê hương. Các thương gia giàu có nổi tiếng của làng thời đó có thể kể ra như Cự Gioanh, Cự Chân, Cự Phát… cũng chính là những nhà buôn có tiếng ở Hà thành.
Hiện, Cự Đà còn nhiều ngôi nhà cổ trên 100 tuổi mang đặc trưng kiến trúc vùng Đồng bằng Bắc bộ, ngói mũi hài, cột gỗ lim, các hoa văn trên gỗ được chạm trổ cầu kỳ, tinh xảo.
Cự Đà còn có chùa, miếu đã được xếp hạng di tích quốc gia đều là các công trình kiến trúc cổ. Đáng chú ý, trong làng hiện vẫn còn đàn Xã Tắc bằng đá xanh được xây vào đầu thế kỷ XX để hằng năm tế lễ, cầu mưa thuận gió hòa. Năm 1929, Cự Đà là thôn đầu tiên ở tỉnh Hà Tây (cũ) có điện phục vụ sinh hoạt. Thời gian này, các ngõ, xóm và nhà dân cũng đã được đánh số chẳng khác gì nhà phố. Ngày nay, ở đây còn lưu giữ nguyên được chiếc cổng làng có gắn chiếc đồng hồ được xây dựng từ đầu thế kỷ XX, dọc 12 xóm của thôn đều có cổng vòm và điếm tuần là nơi trước đây giữ an ninh trật tự trong làng. Bên bờ sông, hiện còn cột cờ được dựng năm 1929 và nhiều di tích khác như nhà Hội đồng, nhà Thọ từ… có giá trị.
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